Now please no one get me wrong on this, I believe that Queen Lilliam was really, truly horrible, but I think that there were probably many things that impacted her bad decisions like NIghtwing. First, we know that she was from the poorest of the seven clans which probably drove her to do something to where she would have power to make herself rich. Also, she had nine other royal sisters. I can't remember even after reading the book twice, but I am pretty sure she was one of the youngest ones. This could have been sort of like a Prince Hans situation like in Frozen. Now please no one misunderstand me. I am not saying that anything that Queen Lilliam did was right, but I think that looking into her motives causes the things she did to make more sense.
I actually don't think Lilliam was all that bad, I mean she did murder Rahkki's mother, and then tried to kill him to, and even after she had Rahkki beaten.
Lilliam was the youngest sister in her family, and she did have quite a few older siblings, in the book it mentions that she had not been trained to lead a clan because she had so far down in the line to the thrown. I do think that she must have had a similar mind set to Hans when she killed Rayella, but her actions after she became queen were either done because she was insecure as a ruler or she just didn't know. One of the reasons mentioned in the book for the 5th Clan hating her was that Lilliam was making them pay for medical supplies, I actually agree with her doing that. I know you guys are proubily thinking that I'm being cold hearted, but here's my thinking behind it: yes, Lilliam wasn't the best ruler, but she isn't stupid. In the books it never mentions where the money went after it was collected. I'm going to assume that Lillaim did take some money for herself, but I'm betting a lot of the money went into other things, such as improving Fort Prowl's defenses, and feeding both the sky guard and land solders, and I'm sure there were a ton of other things to.
You guys can disagree with me if you want, but I think Lillaim is kinda misunderstood and is a some what descent queen that suffers from a lot of insecurity, she just wasn't trained how be a queen and she has made a lot of mistakes because of it
I don't know about you guys, but I don't like Lilliam, I agree with Dragon, she has no excuse in making bad choices because she decided to do those, it's her own fault. She was selfish, and sure she wasn't trained to be a good queen, but even trained ones can make selfish choices on purpose for their own benefit. So i'd say, (this is what I think about it), she was cruel in her own choice, and she has no excuse for it. She wanted out of her own desire to be queen and she'd even kill to get it. (Besides that I think she was told to do it) but still, she had a choice NOT to, but she did anyway. So I think it's her fault
I do agree that there is a possibility there is a reason she is so cruel. And Dragon in the book it said something about Rayella still being alive... Well the possibility.
It doesn't matter if Rayella is alive or not, Lilliam meant to kill her
True, true
I find it kinda funny that when I read Lilliams backstory it was so similar to Hans xD But, I still hate Lilliam. Whether or not she was “driven” into doing that, she didnt have to. She has self-control. She doesnt need money. And for pete sakes, if I were a princess that’d be good enough for me!
But it sounded to me like it was a somewhat common for a queen of a clan to be killed. I know that sounds weird because if something like happened today it would be all over the news and the murderer would sent to jail, but I think the Sandwens look at it differently. Yeah sure Lilliam killed their queen, but she was certainly not imprisoned.
Yeah, but another thing that proves her greed is the bet she makes with Uncle Darthan. It proves that she is very greedy. Also, I understand why she makes people pay for the medicine. That's the way our economy works, but I think that she would be upcharging the medicine because she has the monopoly, and it is a good way for her to make money. Do you really think that if a poor villager with no money were deathly ill with a disease that could be cured she would give them the medicine? Reyella might have made a mistake about just giving away medicine, but Queen Lilliam made a mistake with her decision too.
Everything Lilliam did was cruel, selfish, greedy, and stupid
As you can tell, I really hate her lol
I agree Cass. She is cruel, an idiot, and well selfish as you said
Again I would like to point out that wile not doubt Lilliam must have taken some of the money for herself, she must have used much of it increasing the defenses of Fort Prowl. And just because she made that deal with Darthan does not mean she's greedy. If you had a chance to save your clan a lot of money would you take it? I know I would.
but she DID steal out of the treasury to do it. And that's wrong all the way around. I read the third book of Riders of the Realm recently and she did pretend to be someone else to get to the money. So honestly, I don't think she did mainly for Fort Prowl, but for her own benefit.
I would not take the money from the people for myself, just because I come from a poor family and am one of the youngest. I would have it for medicines, to help keep supplies up and running. Same with food.
Lilliam doesnt know anything. She’s dumb and dull. Like Petalcloud. I see how some of you look into her backstory and try to see her “good side” but to Lilliam, there aint no good side.
What she is doing now to pratically destroy her clan, is horrible. There’s nothing good to it. (Just my opinion)
Guys, it makes sense Lilliam would take a share of the revenue for her self. How else would she be able to afford clothes and Kihlari? Basically she would just be getting paid for being queen, and I'm almost sure Reyella was doing the same thing.
Also most of the things Lillaim did as queen were pretty bad, and most of that can be attributed to her not having had the proper training to lead a clan. So how I see it is she is slowly loosing control of her clan, I doubt she is intentionally trying to destroy the 5th Clan.
Another thing is, I'm a almost 100% sure that Rayella was doing the same things as Lilliam, you all you would not call Rayella evil, stupid, dumb, dull, cruel, idiot, selfish, or greedy.
stealing from the treasury "to afford something" doesn't make it any better. Lilliam made a foolish method in purchasing items that no matter what she tried to buy, even for someone's benefit, it's still wrong.
Reyella did it in a good way. Idk how she got the money, but I highly doubt she didnt just take it for herself. But for the losing control part, I agree with
I don't think Lilliam or Reyella stole money from anyone, I think that there was probably some Sandwen law that gave the queen a share in what ever money was collected from her clan
A law that Lilliam made.
I doubt it, I bet all the Sandwen queens do it
Except Reyella. Reyella wasnt a bad queen. She was good. I highly doubt she just took money from her people.